lock them up. if you're mad at someone, put them in rehab. if they did too many drug, put them in rehab, put a bracelet around them so you can monitor where they're going, but don't lock them up. >> before we let you go, cca says -- when i talked to them for this story, we reached out, and they said, look, yeah, we lobby but only to sell our services to the government. we're not for more prison. in an article online, we have their full statement. what do you say to that rebuttal from them? >> i think the cca has historically used the same folks behind stand your ground to lobby across this country and every state to get tougher drug laws to make more people go to prison. if cca is saying we don't lobby to get more prisoners, they're bad business people. >> look, we're out of time. if cca wants to come on and debate you, would you come on and do it? >> of course. >> great. michael, i know you've worked on this issue for years. we appreciate you coming down and spending time with us. up next, is suburbia dead? we're going to look at the world according to lee gallagher when we come right back.